{"id":844,"date":"2024-06-14T09:49:59","date_gmt":"2024-06-14T09:49:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thecontenthive.be\/?page_id=844"},"modified":"2025-02-24T13:41:09","modified_gmt":"2025-02-24T13:41:09","slug":"aflevering-3","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"http:\/\/thecontenthive.be\/en\/kruisbestuiving\/aflevering-3\/","title":{"rendered":"Aflevering #3"},"content":{"rendered":"<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-page\" data-elementor-id=\"844\" class=\"elementor elementor-844\" data-elementor-post-type=\"page\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3be6e6db e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"3be6e6db\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f2dc58c elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"f2dc58c\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">aflevering #3<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-71e31da6 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"71e31da6\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h4 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Audio inzetten als bedrijf met Laurens Bervoets<\/h4>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5b7f5c78 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"5b7f5c78\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>In deze aflevering ga ik in gesprek met Laurens Bervoets, audiomaker en journalist over het gebruik van podcast en andere audiostukken voor bedrijven.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-67d83a79 elementor-view-default elementor-widget elementor-widget-icon\" data-id=\"67d83a79\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"icon.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-icon-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-icon\">\n\t\t\t<svg aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"e-font-icon-svg e-fas-angle-double-down\" viewbox=\"0 0 320 512\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\"><path d=\"M143 256.3L7 120.3c-9.4-9.4-9.4-24.6 0-33.9l22.6-22.6c9.4-9.4 24.6-9.4 33.9 0l96.4 96.4 96.4-96.4c9.4-9.4 24.6-9.4 33.9 0L313 86.3c9.4 9.4 9.4 24.6 0 33.9l-136 136c-9.4 9.5-24.6 9.5-34 .1zm34 192l136-136c9.4-9.4 9.4-24.6 0-33.9l-22.6-22.6c-9.4-9.4-24.6-9.4-33.9 0L160 352.1l-96.4-96.4c-9.4-9.4-24.6-9.4-33.9 0L7 278.3c-9.4 9.4-9.4 24.6 0 33.9l136 136c9.4 9.5 24.6 9.5 34 .1z\"><\/path><\/svg>\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-50c860f3 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-child\" data-id=\"50c860f3\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-e-type=\"container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-29fa9426 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"29fa9426\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><strong>Eveline: <\/strong><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 0:52\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"51900\" data-end=\"55540\">Welkom in deze nieuwe aflevering van Kruisbestuiving.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 0:56\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"56240\" data-end=\"60320\">Vandaag is de eerste aflevering dat we een gast hebben, en dat is niemand minder dan Laurens.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:00\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"60420\" data-end=\"63260\">Laurens heeft de intro opgenomen, dus je zal zijn stem wel herkennen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:03\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"63440\" data-end=\"64239\">Welkom Laurens.<br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:03\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"63440\" data-end=\"64239\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:04\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"64239\" data-end=\"65060\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: Hallo, hallo.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:05\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"65340\" data-end=\"65840\">Dank je wel.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:06\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"66320\" data-end=\"67000\">Dat is graag gedaan. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:07\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"67460\" data-end=\"70060\">Zoals zei ik, een van de weinige keren dat je zelf in een podcast zit.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:10\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"70140\" data-end=\"80940\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: Ja, ik zei het net vooraf, voordat we wilden opnemen ook al, ik heb eigenlijk echt stress, omdat normaal heb ik de controle, of weet ik van, dit gaat er gebeuren, en nu word ik een beetje ook voor de leeuwen gegooid in een podcast.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:21\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"81240\" data-end=\"82880\">Dus dat komt niet veel voor.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:23\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"83260\" data-end=\"83920\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: Nee, dat is waar. Voor alles<\/span><\/span> een eerste keer dan, h\u00e8.<\/div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:25\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"85300\" data-end=\"86340\">Voil\u00e0, voil\u00e0, voil\u00e0.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:25\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"85300\" data-end=\"86340\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:27\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"87260\" data-end=\"90180\">Ok\u00e9, kun je kort jezelf een keer voorstellen? <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:31\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"90800\" data-end=\"91880\">En een beetje uitleggen wat je doet?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:32\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"91880\" data-end=\"96420\">Yes, ik ben dus Laurens Bervoet, ik ben freelancer in het dagelijkse leven.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:37\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"96800\" data-end=\"102560\">Dat doe ik eigenlijk ook onder een andere naam, HoorStroom, dat is mijn bedrijfje, zoals The Content Hive, dat voor jou is. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:43\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"102940\" data-end=\"115080\">En ik hou mij vooral bezig met audio, dus ik maak podcasts, audio-wandelingen, alles wat auditieve content maar kan zijn, en ik vul dat aan met journalistiek werk en vooral schrijven dan ook.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 1:58\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"117780\" data-end=\"121080\">En heb je zo een project waar je tot nu toe het meest trots op bent?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 2:03\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"122920\" data-end=\"125500\">Wel, er zijn zo&#8217;n paar dingen waar ik trots op ben.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 2:06\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"125980\" data-end=\"135640\">Als ik dan kijk auditief, dan ben ik heel trots op Geloof in Ons, dat is een podcast over het homohuwelijk en de kerk, dat ik heb gemaakt, samen met mijn man.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 2:16\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"135720\" data-end=\"137040\">Die werd daar gewoon in mee gesleurd. <\/span><\/span>Voor het trouwen moet je met twee zijn. <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 2:20\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"140380\" data-end=\"148820\">En daar ben ik een jaar lang heel intensief mee bezig geweest, terwijl ik toen nog een andere job deed en zo, dus dat was heel intens.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 2:29\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"148920\" data-end=\"150720\">Ik was toen superblij dat dat gedaan was.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 2:31\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"150720\" data-end=\"160800\">Daar kreeg ik positieve feedback over, werd ik voor een podcastprijs genomineerd en zo, dus dat was zoiets waarvan ik dacht, ok\u00e9, ik krijg een erkenning.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 2:42\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"162260\" data-end=\"167080\">Ik denk dat elke freelancer of copywriter of content creator dat wel ergens wil krijgen.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 2:48\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"167720\" data-end=\"171440\">En dan het andere waar ik heel trots op ben, ik ga ook jaarlijks naar het Eurovisie Songfestival.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 2:52\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"172080\" data-end=\"184300\">En het afgelopen jaar, met de deelname van Isra\u00ebl en de diskwalificatie van Joost Klein, dat was een heel gebeuren en toen was ik niet altijd heel blij, maar nu ben ik wel blij dat ik dat heb kunnen meemaken.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:06\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"185980\" data-end=\"188680\">Dan kijk ik erop terug hoe ik dat ooit klaar heb gekregen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:09\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"188840\" data-end=\"191980\">Dat zijn ook van die momenten waar je positief op terugkijkt.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:16\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"195820\" data-end=\"199800\">Ik kan geloven dat het Eurovisie Songfestival dit jaar een mayhem was.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:20\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"200120\" data-end=\"201140\">Best wel chaos.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:21\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"201480\" data-end=\"204480\">Ja, dat was dan weer meer journalistiek in plaats van podcast.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:25\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"204780\" data-end=\"205580\">Ja, klopt.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:26\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"205580\" data-end=\"211320\">Ik heb je dan wel van tevoren gezien op je socials, dat je met iedere kandidaat wel een podcast of audiostukken op hebt genomen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:32\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"212000\" data-end=\"215460\">En dan plots moet je zo shiften van rol. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:36\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"216200\" data-end=\"217100\">Hoe heb je dat ervaren?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:38\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"217840\" data-end=\"220880\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: Dat was heel moeilijk in het begin.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:41\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"221020\" data-end=\"223880\">Er waren ook enkele vriendinnen die langskwamen.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:44\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"224120\" data-end=\"225020\">Dat doe ik elk jaar.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:45\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"225100\" data-end=\"227740\">Die komen dan ook in het appartement waar ik zit in de gaststad.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:48\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"227860\" data-end=\"231120\">Maar zij doen dat dan vooral om te feesten en de sfeer op te snuiven.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:52\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"231860\" data-end=\"235060\">En soms ga ik wel eens een avond mee, maar nu ging dat uiteraard niet.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 3:55\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"235060\" data-end=\"240980\">En zij maakten zich echt zorgen om mij, omdat zij zagen dat ik heel hard struggelde met die switch te maken.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:01\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"241360\" data-end=\"244220\">Je bent heel erg moe, dat is sowieso iets heel vermoeiends. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:04\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"244240\" data-end=\"245360\">Maar nu was dat echt&#8230;<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"> Er<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:05\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"245360\" data-end=\"247580\"> was Joost Klein, dat leefde in Belgi\u00eb.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:09\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"248680\" data-end=\"250760\">En op een bepaald moment heb ik de klik gemaakt.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:11\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"250900\" data-end=\"252700\">Kijk, ik ben hier nu.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:13\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"252880\" data-end=\"254140\">Ik moet gewoon vooruit.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:14\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"254260\" data-end=\"256980\">Ik mag me moe voelen, honger hebben, hoofdpijn hebben. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:17\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"257060\" data-end=\"257720\">Maakt niet uit.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:18\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"257800\" data-end=\"259220\">Binnen twee weken kan ik rusten.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:20\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"259740\" data-end=\"262760\">En het is op het moment dat ik dat tegen mezelf kon zeggen, dat het lukte. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:23\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"262760\" data-end=\"267300\">En dat ik ook tegen iedereen naast me zei: ik ga nu niet meer bezig zijn met jou of met jullie.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:28\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"268000\" data-end=\"270620\">Ik ga even full focus rechtdoor.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:31\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"271120\" data-end=\"274040\">Ik vond dat moeilijk om dat tegen mijn dierbaren te zeggen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:34\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"274160\" data-end=\"277040\">Ik heb geen tijd voor jullie, maar dat heeft mij wel geholpen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:38\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"277600\" data-end=\"279760\">En dat gaf dan ook wel een kick achteraf.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:40\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"280120\" data-end=\"280540\">Ja, zeker.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:41\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"280640\" data-end=\"287300\">Want ik heb je hoofd al in meerdere kranten zien staan en er werden toch wel zeer prominente quotes naar voren gebracht.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:48\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"287860\" data-end=\"288880\">Dus dat is wel tof, denk ik. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:49\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"288880\" data-end=\"295120\">En als zekere Eurovisie-songfan zo er echt in te gaan zetten.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:55\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"295140\" data-end=\"295320\">Ja, klopt.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 4:56\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"296340\" data-end=\"299600\">Wij hebben samen ook journalistiek gestudeerd in dezelfde richting.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:00\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"300240\" data-end=\"304440\">En heel veel voormalige leerkrachten weten dat ik daardoor geobsedeerd was.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:05\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"304640\" data-end=\"305820\">En ik zei dat toen ook altijd.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:06\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"305880\" data-end=\"307060\">Ik wilde er mijn job van maken.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:08\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"307560\" data-end=\"314540\">En ik heb nu van een paar oude proffen of lectoren een berichtje gekregen van &#8220;Amai, het is je gelukt&#8221;. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:15\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"314780\" data-end=\"316680\">En dat is echt zo tof.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:19\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"318920\" data-end=\"322300\">Zijn er ook wat uitdagingen die je hebt gehad in je carri\u00e8re?<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:23\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"322640\" data-end=\"324700\">Of dingen die je moeilijker vond?<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"><strong><br>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:25\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"324980\" data-end=\"331160\">Ik denk gewoon dat het gegeven freelancer op zich een heel grote uitdaging is.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"> <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:31\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"331300\" data-end=\"336540\">Want heel veel mensen denken dat freelancers gelijk zijn aan zelfstandigen.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"> <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:37\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"336680\" data-end=\"339320\">En vroeger waren de zelfstandigen superrijk.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:40\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"339900\" data-end=\"341420\">En jij bent dat nu ook.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"> <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:42\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"341520\" data-end=\"343020\">En hoho, breng alles maar binnen.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"> <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:44\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"343600\" data-end=\"347400\">En dan moet ik echt wel tegen iedereen zeggen dat dat niet zo is. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:48\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"347880\" data-end=\"350900\">Je moet geen freelancer worden om rijk te worden.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"> <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:51\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"351080\" data-end=\"355480\">Of om heel de dagen plat te liggen, want ik werk wanneer ik wil.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"> <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:56\" style=\"color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-family: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-family ), Sans-serif; font-size: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-size ); font-style: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-style ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-letter-spacing ); text-transform: var( --e-global-typography-text-text-transform ); word-spacing: var( --e-global-typography-text-word-spacing );\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"355980\" data-end=\"356640\">Totaal niet.<\/span><\/span><br><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 5:57\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"356720\" data-end=\"365000\">Je moet freelancer worden omdat iets dat je interesseert, bij mij is dat podcast, journalistiek, schrijven, dat je dat de hele dag door wil doen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:06\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"366480\" data-end=\"372380\">Maar je werkt echt, en ik denk dat jij dat ook herkent, heel vaak 24-7.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:13\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"373220\" data-end=\"379200\">Je werkt als je ziek bent, want je hebt een zelfstandig statuut, dus dat is helemaal anders.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:22\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"381540\" data-end=\"386440\">Heel veel mensen snappen ook niet dat ik in het weekend zeg, dan is er een familiefeest, ik kom niet, want ik ga dan werken. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:27\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"386540\" data-end=\"387420\">Ja, maar het is toch weekend?<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:28\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"388180\" data-end=\"389820\">Nee, dat bestaat voor ons niet.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:30\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"390040\" data-end=\"393520\">Wij kunnen in het weekend werken en soms op maandag voormiddag wel eens uitslapen.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:35\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"394580\" data-end=\"398180\">Maar ik vind freelancer zijn een heel intens gegeven.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:38\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"398320\" data-end=\"399300\">Ik doe dat echt wel graag.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:40\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"399720\" data-end=\"405880\">Maar ik denk ook dat jij herkent dat je soms maanden hebt dat je tegen jezelf zegt, wat ben ik aan het doen?<\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:47\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"406680\" data-end=\"410000\">Maar dat je dan toch blijft doorzetten en dat dat dan vruchten afwerpt.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:51\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"410680\" data-end=\"412320\">Maar het is zoiets&#8230;<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:52\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"412320\" data-end=\"415440\">Ik vind dat een heel mentaal spelletje, freelancer zijn.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:56\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"415680\" data-end=\"416400\">Ja, dat is het zeker.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:57\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"416620\" data-end=\"417300\">Ik heb ook al <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 6:59\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"418580\" data-end=\"420300\">veel periodes gehad dat ik<\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:01\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"421140\" data-end=\"427480\"> door een groei heen ga, en om daar doorheen te kunnen gaan, moet je keihard werken en dingen opofferen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:07\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"427480\" data-end=\"432540\">Gelukkig weet mijn man dat hij mij dan met rust moet laten en dat het daarna weer beter gaat.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:13\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"433180\" data-end=\"434980\">Maar het is inderdaad echt een rollercoaster. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:16\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"435700\" data-end=\"438900\">Het geeft heel veel voldoening, maar ook heel veel onzekerheid.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:20\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"440280\" data-end=\"444620\">Afgelopen zomer had ik plots een paar klanten die weg zijn gegaan, om budgetredenen.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:25\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"444780\" data-end=\"445860\">Gelukkig niet om kwaliteit. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:27\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"447160\" data-end=\"453580\">Maar dan slaat toch wel even de onzekerheid toe van shit, hoe ga ik volgende maand dan aan mijn loon geraken?<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:35\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"454700\" data-end=\"459300\">En zeker hoe jij het zegt, het budget is iets wat je tegenwoordig overal hoort.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:40\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"460300\" data-end=\"465620\">Sinds corona is het, toen was ik nog geen zelfstandige, maar dan komen die oorlogen erbij.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:46\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"465840\" data-end=\"467500\">Ik ben toen zelfstandige geworden. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:48\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"467740\" data-end=\"473540\">Je merkt echt meer en meer dat bedrijven zeggen, zeker tegen het einde van het jaar, het is op, het budget.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 7:54\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"474120\" data-end=\"486360\">En ik weet dat ik rond kerstmis, toen was ik een half jaar zelfstandige, fulltime, want ik was daarvoor in bijberoep, dat ik toen dacht, dit wil ik denk ik niet, want iedereen zegt, ik heb geen budget, maar waar is mijn loon dan?<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:07\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"486760\" data-end=\"489540\">Tot de eerste week van januari, en dan belde iedereen terug. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:10\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"489660\" data-end=\"490880\">Ja, we hebben een nieuw potje.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:12\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"491500\" data-end=\"493760\">Dus in het begin van het jaar was het ineens heel druk.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:15\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"495000\" data-end=\"498900\">Maar het is wat jij zegt, een mentale rollercoaster.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:19\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"499180\" data-end=\"499840\">Ja, zeker.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:26\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"505720\" data-end=\"508240\">Dan een beetje meer over hetgeen dat je doet, natuurlijk audio.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:33\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"512760\" data-end=\"517340\">Op welke manier merk je dat audio op dit moment wordt ingezet bij bedrijven?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:38\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"517980\" data-end=\"520100\">Op dit moment nog heel beperkt.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:40\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"520360\" data-end=\"521460\">Daar moeten we eerlijk in zijn.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:42\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"521659\" data-end=\"538060\">Audio, hoewel dat een van de oudste media is dat er bestaat, zeker in Vlaanderen, we zijn een heel erg radioland, wordt dat heel weinig ingezet, omdat podcasting als nieuw wordt aanzien in de lage landen, dan vooral Belgi\u00eb. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 8:59\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"538540\" data-end=\"541660\">Als het nu wordt ingezet, is het in de vorm van podcasts.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:03\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"542540\" data-end=\"547720\">Meer en meer ook als een testaflevering, en dan kijken we hoe goed doet het het. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:08\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"547960\" data-end=\"550260\">En dan kunnen we je eventueel meer inschakelen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:12\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"551500\" data-end=\"555700\">Wat leuk is, wat goed is, maar er kan zoveel meer mee gebeuren.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:17\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"556920\" data-end=\"559040\">Ik heb dat net al gezegd, audiowandelingen.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:23\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"563040\" data-end=\"571140\">Dan is er ook de 360 experience, ASMR, dat ook een tijdje in de lift heeft gezeten. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:32\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"571520\" data-end=\"575460\">Het is een creatief medium, maar het wordt nu nog heel basic gebruikt. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:37\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"576620\" data-end=\"582480\">Meer als alternatief voor video, omdat video duurder is dan audio.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:43\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"582680\" data-end=\"584100\">We willen een verhaal vertellen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:45\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"584760\" data-end=\"585600\">Wat is het goedkoopste? <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:46\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"585780\" data-end=\"586140\">Audio.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:47\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"586720\" data-end=\"588700\">Maar je kan er wel heel diep mee gaan.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:49\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"588900\" data-end=\"589520\">Ja, klopt.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:50\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"590460\" data-end=\"593360\">En hoe zie je dit evolueren naar de toekomst toe?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 9:54\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"594000\" data-end=\"600400\">Ik denk dat het allemaal afhangt van hoe de economische crisis eraan toegaat.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:01\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"600820\" data-end=\"604020\">In de nabije toekomst zie ik nog niet veel veranderen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:05\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"605220\" data-end=\"615840\">Maar ik hoop, na een mindere economische periode, dat er een hele goede economische periode komt en dat mensen dan echt meer durven experimenteren. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:17\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"616920\" data-end=\"618580\">Op zoek gaan naar nieuwe dingen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:19\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"618580\" data-end=\"620980\">Daar ben ik ook van overtuigd.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:22\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"621780\" data-end=\"625940\">Het is de USP, de Unique Selling Point Proposition. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:26\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"626060\" data-end=\"627800\">Je hebt er van alle woorden voor.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:29\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"628940\" data-end=\"630240\">Je moet uniek zijn.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:31\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"630880\" data-end=\"633180\">En vandaag de dag zijn er heel veel podcasts. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:34\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"634260\" data-end=\"635440\">Heel leuk, heel goed.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:36\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"635860\" data-end=\"639980\">Maar om er echt tussenuit te springen, ga je toch iets anders moeten doen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:41\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"640600\" data-end=\"642420\">Een audioevenement, wie weet.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:43\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"642720\" data-end=\"643340\">Ja, spannend.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:46\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"645500\" data-end=\"650260\">Waarom is het als bedrijf interessant om een podcast op te starten of iets met audio te doen?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 10:51\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"650840\" data-end=\"659280\">Wel, er zijn tal van redenen, maar het belangrijkste is dat audio het medium is waarmee je dicht bij de luisteraar kan komen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:00\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"659780\" data-end=\"662240\">Zijnde, je steekt die echt letterlijk in je oren.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:02\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"662420\" data-end=\"667880\">Onze tv is op afstand, onze krant, onze boeken, maar audio steek je in je oren. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:08\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"668000\" data-end=\"673520\">Dus je hebt daar een heel intieme relatie mee met jouw gebruiker, je luisteraar.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:14\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"674160\" data-end=\"679880\">Het leuke is ook, dat zal je zelf ook merken, als je naar podcasts luistert, wanneer doe je dat?<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:21\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"680600\" data-end=\"681340\">Altijd eigenlijk. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:21\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"681400\" data-end=\"683840\">Ik kan in de auto luisteren, tijdens het strijken.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:25\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"684560\" data-end=\"689160\">Als ik mijn mailbox aan het uitkuisen ben, dan luister ik naar andere podcasts.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:29\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"689420\" data-end=\"690960\">Dan staat er iets op de achtergrond.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:32\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"691820\" data-end=\"698560\">Terwijl als je naar tv of de krant moet, als je daarmee bezig bent, moet je veel meer zin gebruiken.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:39\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"698760\" data-end=\"701040\">Je moet je ogen gebruiken, je kunt daar moe van worden.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:41\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"701040\" data-end=\"703360\">Bij audio kun je je ogen al eens dichtdoen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:44\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"703820\" data-end=\"707180\">Dus het is ook een heel toegankelijk medium voor de gebruiker.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:48\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"708200\" data-end=\"712800\">En daarnaast is het ook, ik zeg het niet graag, maar een vrij goedkoop medium.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 11:54\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"713800\" data-end=\"720680\">Omdat het een nieuw medium is, worden er ook nog geen heel hoge prijzen naar buiten gebracht.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:01\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"721180\" data-end=\"729200\">Eigenlijk mag dat niet, maar we zijn met alle podcastmakers in Vlaanderen en Belgi\u00eb dezelfde prijzen aan het proberen te hanteren om dat er wel door te krijgen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:10\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"729660\" data-end=\"735240\">Dat betekent dat als we merken dat we de indexatie kunnen doorvoeren, dan doen we dat allemaal.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:19\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"738880\" data-end=\"744780\">Eigenlijk is het momenteel te goedkoop voor de uren dat er worden ingestoken en het materiaal dat ervoor gekocht moet worden.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:29\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"748700\" data-end=\"754000\">Wat zou je zeggen tegen bedrijven die als excuus hebben van<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"> &#8220;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:34\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"754000\" data-end=\"755460\">Ja, maar er zijn al zoveel podcasts.&#8221;<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:36\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"756140\" data-end=\"758120\">Oh nee, dat mag nooit een excuus zijn.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:39\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"758640\" data-end=\"761580\">Daar zou ik tegen zeggen wat ik daarnet eigenlijk zei. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:43\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"762740\" data-end=\"765980\">Zoek dat stukje dat jou uniek maakt. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:48\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"767540\" data-end=\"771720\">Heel veel mensen vinden het heel leuk om een studiopodcast te hebben.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:52\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"772220\" data-end=\"774900\">Dat is ook heel makkelijk te maken, heel toegankelijk.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:55\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"775300\" data-end=\"778420\">Heel makkelijk te maken in termen van podcasts. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 12:59\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"779440\" data-end=\"780880\">Maar zo zijn er heel veel.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:01\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"781040\" data-end=\"782580\">Zoek eens een keer iets anders.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:03\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"782880\" data-end=\"784040\">Het kan ook heel simpel zijn. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:04\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"784040\" data-end=\"788640\">Zoek een locatie die heel gek is om jouw podcast op te nemen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:09\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"789280\" data-end=\"792720\">Op de top van de VRT-toren is er nog nooit een podcast geweest.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:14\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"793540\" data-end=\"796320\">Stel je voor dat je dat doet, je valt wel meteen op.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:18\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"797780\" data-end=\"803740\">Wat er ook heel belangrijk is, heel veel mensen denken dat een podcast maken gewoon voor een microfoon is gaan zitten. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:24\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"803980\" data-end=\"806220\">We praten en zwieren dat achteraf online. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:27\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"806600\" data-end=\"808620\">Maar dat is jammer genoeg niet waar.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:29\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"809280\" data-end=\"810960\">Dat is heel veel voorbereiding.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:32\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"811720\" data-end=\"817340\">Dan de opname en dan de postproductie, de montage, de marketing die erbij komt kijken. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:38\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"817840\" data-end=\"821320\">Maar als je kijkt naar wat het meeste vraagt, is het die voorbereiding.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:42\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"821560\" data-end=\"824020\">60 procent van al het werk is die voorbereiding.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:45\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"824620\" data-end=\"829700\">Hoe meer je voorbereid, hoe makkelijker die opname gaat gaan, hoe makkelijker die montage en die marketing. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:51\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"830880\" data-end=\"832300\">Daar moet je dus echt op inzetten.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:52\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"832460\" data-end=\"836120\">Dus als je een podcast wil maken, voorbereiden, voorbereiden. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:56\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"836360\" data-end=\"838240\">Doe liever te veel vergaderingen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 13:58\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"838240\" data-end=\"846180\">Je hebt liever te veel idee\u00ebn die je achteraf kan schrappen dan dat je gewoon zegt van ok\u00e9, we kopen een microfoon, we gaan erachter zitten en we doen maar wat.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:07\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"847180\" data-end=\"855180\">Dat zal initieel misschien wel werken, maar dan ga je zien aan de luistercijfers dat dat op termijn niet echt gaat opbrengen.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:16\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"856100\" data-end=\"865600\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: En zou je dan eerder mensen aanraden om volledige scripten te uitwerken of liever zo in gesprek te werken dat het natuurlijk een beetje vloeit?<\/span><\/span><\/div><div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:16\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"856100\" data-end=\"865600\"><br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:26\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"865980\" data-end=\"867380\">Dat hangt er heel erg van af.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:27\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"867380\" data-end=\"871860\">Dit is bijvoorbeeld een setting waar je heel vrij kan zijn.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:32\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"872220\" data-end=\"874560\">Vooraf kan je wel wat vragen opstellen inderdaad.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:35\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"874660\" data-end=\"877240\">Je probeert te memoriseren, je kan ervan afwijken.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:38\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"877860\" data-end=\"881340\">Maar er zijn ook heel veel podcasts die compleet gescript worden.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:42\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"881860\" data-end=\"886400\">Denk bijvoorbeeld aan podcasts over heel complexe ontwerpen zoals het conflict in het Midden-Oosten. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:47\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"887040\" data-end=\"892160\">Dat is dan wel moeilijker om zo over te spreken of je moet echt heel zotte experts uitnodigen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:53\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"892920\" data-end=\"895340\">Het hangt ook een beetje van de vorm van je podcast af.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 14:55\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"895340\" data-end=\"906040\">Als je een verhalende podcast hebt, die bedrijven momenteel nog niet echt gebruiken, dan kruipt er heel veel voorbereidend werk in, zijnde dat het gewoon compleet gescript is. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:07\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"906540\" data-end=\"908780\">Dat kost ook meer geld, omdat er meer tijd in kruipt.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:09\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"909080\" data-end=\"914080\">Maar ik hoop wel dat die verhalende podcasts ook naar bedrijven een beetje meer een weg vinden.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:14\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"914200\" data-end=\"915220\">Er is heel veel mee te doen.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:16\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"915700\" data-end=\"916860\">En hoe zou je dat dan toepassen?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:18\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"917660\" data-end=\"920880\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: Ik heb dat ooit eens een keer met een klant van mij toegepast, Unizo.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:28\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"928180\" data-end=\"930180\">Het moest een podcast over innovatie zijn.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:31\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"931140\" data-end=\"939500\">En in plaats van dat we zeiden we gaan met innoverende ondernemers spreken, zei ik, kunnen we daar geen extra laag aan toevoegen?<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:40\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"939640\" data-end=\"943560\">Zijnde dat we ook naar de ondernemers terugkeren als kind.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:44\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"943980\" data-end=\"948360\">Dus we gaan terug in de tijd waar ze dromen van een verandering in de wereld.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:48\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"948360\" data-end=\"950720\">Want toen was de wereld anders dan nu. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 15:51\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"951260\" data-end=\"963700\">Dus het werd een soort teletijdmachine, die podcast, waarbij we in het nu de feiten benoemden, maar ook naar vroeger gingen waar kinderen aan het woord waren die het deden alsof ze die ondernemer waren.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:05\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"965020\" data-end=\"967000\">Dus het kan heel simpel zijn.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:10\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"969500\" data-end=\"972940\">Ik blijf heel erg van zoek dat ene dat er nog niet is.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:13\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"973020\" data-end=\"973540\">Ja, klopt. <\/span><\/span>Niet gemakkelijk.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:14\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"974320\" data-end=\"974940\">Nee, tuurlijk.<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:23\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"982740\" data-end=\"989620\">Heb je nog tips voor mensen die een podcast willen starten die eventueel nog zoekende zijn naar wat de eerste stap is?<\/span><\/span><\/div><div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:23\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"982740\" data-end=\"989620\"><br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>:<span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:30\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"989920\" data-end=\"992400\">Het belangrijkste is gewoon doen.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:35\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"994640\" data-end=\"1001220\">In het begin dacht ik, ik ga daar niet goed in zijn en ik ga niet veel luisteraars hebben bij die podcast of bij dat.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:42\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1002000\" data-end=\"1004020\">Dat moet je achterwege laten.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:44\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1004020\" data-end=\"1005200\">Je moet gewoon doen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:46\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1005940\" data-end=\"1008400\">In het begin ga je heel weinig luisteraars hebben.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:49\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1008740\" data-end=\"1010840\">Podcasts zijn ook een niche-product.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:51\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1011100\" data-end=\"1013560\">Je gaat daar geen heel breed publiek mee bereiken. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:54\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1013620\" data-end=\"1018480\">Je gaat niet de vrouwen bereiken, maar wel de zwangere vrouwen onder de 25.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 16:59\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1018700\" data-end=\"1020560\">Die ga je proberen bereiken.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:01\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1021000\" data-end=\"1021780\">Dus gewoon doen.<\/span><\/span><\/div><div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:01\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1021000\" data-end=\"1021780\"><br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:02\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1022380\" data-end=\"1024280\">Veel voorbereiden, zoals ik daarnet zei.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:05\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1024880\" data-end=\"1031339\">Een heel grote tip die ik vanaf het begin wil meegeven, is investeer meteen in heel degelijk materiaal. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:12\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1031540\" data-end=\"1037700\">Je kan vandaag de dag inderdaad een heel goedkope microfoon aankopen en met de USB aansluiten.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:19\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1038839\" data-end=\"1044780\">Maar als dat heel goedkoop is, gaat dat nu niet erg zijn, maar op een bepaald moment&#8230;<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:25\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1044780\" data-end=\"1047680\">De Volksjury heeft dat voorgehad, andere grote podcastmakers. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:28\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1047920\" data-end=\"1055360\">Die moesten na een, twee jaar plots alles opnieuw beginnen kopen omdat ze zeggen dat ze de kwaliteit niet goed krijgen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:35\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1055480\" data-end=\"1058860\">Ze krijgen sponsors, maar de kwaliteit moet daarvoor goed zijn.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:39\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1058860\" data-end=\"1061280\">Dan ben je eigenlijk twee keer het geld kwijt. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:42\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1061760\" data-end=\"1064500\">Dus probeer een spaarpotje samen te stellen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:46\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1065880\" data-end=\"1071180\">Dat is wel van enkele duizenden euro&#8217;s in het begin, maar dat ga je wel opbrengen, zeker op termijn.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:52\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1071880\" data-end=\"1078080\">En is het interessant om eventueel te beginnen met het huren van een studio waarin al het materiaal al aanwezig is?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:58\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1078140\" data-end=\"1078980\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: Ja, dat kan je.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 17:59\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1079460\" data-end=\"1081060\">Dat is ook heel erg makkelijk.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:03\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1082760\" data-end=\"1088360\">Een studio op zich hoeft eigenlijk niet, maar je kan ook materiaal huren bij bepaalde winkels waar je het kan kopen.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:09\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1089180\" data-end=\"1091640\">Ik ga er nu geen noemen, want dan moeten ze sponsoren natuurlijk. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:13\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1092980\" data-end=\"1096180\">Dus dat kan je gewoon doen.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:17\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1096500\" data-end=\"1100280\">Je kan ook een podcaststudio huren, maar die zijn eigenlijk<\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:20\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1100280\" data-end=\"1104820\">&nbsp;op zich vrij duur en je moet daar zelf ook nog materiaal vaak voor meenemen.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:26\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1105620\" data-end=\"1111700\">Dus ik zou zeggen, kijk eens een keertje rond online bij welke winkels die onder andere muziekinstrumenten verkopen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:32\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1111820\" data-end=\"1119780\">Daar vind je meestal ook al het materiaal voor podcasts en die verhuren meestal ook hun materiaal aan een vrij schappelijke prijs.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:40\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1120020\" data-end=\"1121700\">Ok\u00e9, dus dat kan eventueel een andere optie zijn.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:46\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1126100\" data-end=\"1129000\">Je sprak al kort even over sponsors. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:50\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1130100\" data-end=\"1137500\">Ik merk dat het in Amerikaanse podcasts heel anders is dan bij ons en dat het daar echt gewoon blokken reclame zijn. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 18:59\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1138840\" data-end=\"1140720\">Hoe is dat momenteel in Belgi\u00eb?<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:01\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1141120\" data-end=\"1143000\">In Belgi\u00eb ligt dat heel moeilijk.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:03\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1143000\" data-end=\"1144760\">De Belgen zijn heel gevoelig. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:05\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1144760\" data-end=\"1147160\">Vooral de Vlamingen zijn heel gevoelig aan reclame. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:08\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1147780\" data-end=\"1150340\">Ik denk dat we dat allemaal herkennen van op de televisie.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:11\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1150900\" data-end=\"1151980\">We willen dat doorspoelen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:12\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1152280\" data-end=\"1154540\">Tegenwoordig kan je dat niet meer altijd.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:15\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1154980\" data-end=\"1156060\">Dan is het paniek.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:16\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1156180\" data-end=\"1157360\">Wat moet ik liggen doen?<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:17\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1157420\" data-end=\"1158560\">Moet ik een thee gaan maken?<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:19\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1158640\" data-end=\"1160400\">Moet ik ondertussen een boek openslaan?<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:21\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1161280\" data-end=\"1162860\">We zijn daar heel gevoelig aan.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:23\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1162920\" data-end=\"1164180\">Daar wordt wel mee getest. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:25\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1165020\" data-end=\"1170980\">Maar in Belgi\u00eb doen we dat meer ondergedoken, om het zo te zeggen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:31\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1170980\" data-end=\"1177940\">Bijvoorbeeld als wij nu op een stoel zitten en de winkel vernoemen die ons geld heeft toegestopt.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:38\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1178440\" data-end=\"1187500\">Opnieuw zijn ze daarmee aan het experimenteren, maar we merken heel erg dat, vooral als je in het midden van een podcast een reclameblok plaatst, er heel veel mensen afhaken. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:48\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1188100\" data-end=\"1194480\">Het is daarom dat je in veel podcast-apps in het begin vaak twintig seconden reclame hoort of achteraf.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 19:56\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1195800\" data-end=\"1199500\">Maar de sponsoring voor podcasts loopt in Belgi\u00eb ook traag.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:00\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1199500\" data-end=\"1203920\">Er zijn weinig mensen die momenteel sponsorgeld aanbieden en krijgen ook. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:07\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1206660\" data-end=\"1208500\">Het zijn vaak de p<\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:10\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1209500\" data-end=\"1214400\">odcasts die bij offici\u00eble media, zoals het Nieuwsblad en De Standaard, die reclame hebben. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:15\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1214920\" data-end=\"1219940\">En dan heel grote podcasts die bij een podcastnetwerk zijn aangesloten, zoals De Volksjury.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:20\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1220160\" data-end=\"1221400\">Die worden wel gesponsord. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:22\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1222460\" data-end=\"1224580\">Maar wij zullen dat minder snel krijgen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:25\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1224860\" data-end=\"1229320\">Vooral omdat wij voor bedrijven werken die dan als sponsor worden gezien.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:29\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1229480\" data-end=\"1231200\">De opdrachtgever is de sponsor.<\/span><\/span><br><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:29\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1229480\" data-end=\"1231200\"><br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:33\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1233040\" data-end=\"1234260\">Ok\u00e9, dat is wel interessant.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:35\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1234720\" data-end=\"1238920\">Ja, er gaat nog heel veel veranderen de komende jaren.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:40\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1240480\" data-end=\"1241060\">Podcasts, n<\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:41\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1241060\" data-end=\"1242680\">og heel veel daarin is zoekende.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:43\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1243100\" data-end=\"1253940\">Het is natuurlijk heel moeilijk als je sponsors binnenhaalt, om kijkcijfers vast te leggen of dingen te beloven, omdat het nog zo&#8217;n moeilijke markt is.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 20:54\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1253940\" data-end=\"1259360\">Je kan heel slecht inschatten hoeveel luisteraars een podcast heeft.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:00\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1260080\" data-end=\"1266600\">Maar dat betekent dus, als je twijfelt of je een podcast wilt maken, dat we heel hard aan het experimenteren zijn.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:07\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1266780\" data-end=\"1271840\">Dus als jij zegt dat je daar vijf sponsors in wilt smijten, doe dat gewoon.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:12\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1272340\" data-end=\"1274220\">Alles kan momenteel nog in podcastland.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: S<span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:15\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1275260\" data-end=\"1277820\">uper om te horen dat het veld nog open ligt.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:18\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1278120\" data-end=\"1279220\">Zeker ook voor bedrijven.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:19\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1279220\" data-end=\"1288800\">Als je er de ruimte voor hebt qua budget, tijd, eventueel qua mensen of huur wat freelancers in, zoals wij.<\/span><\/span><br><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:19\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1279220\" data-end=\"1288800\"><br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:29\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1289200\" data-end=\"1290000\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: Ja, altijd welkom.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:32\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1291620\" data-end=\"1295220\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: Dan is het zeker een mooie optie om aan te pakken.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:37\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1296500\" data-end=\"1304400\">Omdat je gewoon nog ruimte hebt om te groeien en er nog ruimte is in de markt om mee te beginnen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:45\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1304660\" data-end=\"1306020\">En het nog betaalbaar is.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:46\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1306160\" data-end=\"1307180\">Dat heb ik zeker onthouden.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:47\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1307180\" data-end=\"1315900\">En wat ook heel erg leuk is, omdat die ruimte zo open ligt en omdat het nog een vrij nieuwe kleine wereld is, heb je ook een heel nauw contact met de makers.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:56\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1316040\" data-end=\"1318100\">En heb je dus ook nog echt heel veel inspraak. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 21:58\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1318380\" data-end=\"1322180\">Dus dat is ook het leuke daaraan, dat je niet overal nog vindt.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mt-4\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 22:04\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1323900\" data-end=\"1328840\">Afsluiten zou ik graag doen met een vraag die ik vanaf nu aan elke freelancer wil vragen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 22:09\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1329360\" data-end=\"1334440\">Wat is het beste stuk content dat je in de laatste tijd tegen bent gekomen?<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 22:16\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1335780\" data-end=\"1338100\">Ik zei dat ik ook journalistieke opdrachten doe. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 22:19\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1338820\" data-end=\"1343880\">En daar zijn we momenteel volop bezig met de verkiezingen, op dit moment van opname, de voorbereiding daarvan.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 22:24\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1344460\" data-end=\"1354820\">En ik merk dat vooral onze openbare omroep, VRT, echt wel heel goed bezig is met content te maken voor jongeren rond de verkiezingen. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 22:35\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1355460\" data-end=\"1356740\">Ze hebben nu een programma, i<\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 22:37\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1356740\" data-end=\"1365860\">k ben de naam even kwijt, maar op televisie en je kan het ook online volgen, met Tom Waes waarbij er politici in het midden worden gezet, omringd door jongeren.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 22:46\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1366140\" data-end=\"1367500\">Dat vind ik geweldig. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 22:48\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1367780\" data-end=\"1372700\">En dat is eigenlijk super simpel, maar het is iets dat nog nooit gebracht is.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 22:54\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1373900\" data-end=\"1379120\">Ik vind dat je echt moeilijke thema&#8217;s brengt waar heel veel mensen bang van hebben. <\/span><\/span>Want heel veel Belgen zeggen van verkiezingen, ben ik niet bezig.<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: Ver van mijn bed.<br><br><\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:04\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1383720\" data-end=\"1385100\">Ik heb er geen zin in. <\/span><\/span>Het is hier altijd hetzelfde.<span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:07\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1386780\" data-end=\"1388780\">En toch weten zij dat naar die jeugd te brengen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:11\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1390520\" data-end=\"1392440\">Dat vind ik prachtige content creatie.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:14\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1393720\" data-end=\"1395460\">Journalistiek, dat is een hele mix van alles.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:16\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1395940\" data-end=\"1397000\">Dat vind ik echt wel iets leuks.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>:&nbsp;<span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:17\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1397220\" data-end=\"1413460\">Ja, ik heb het ook al voorbij zien komen en ik vond het heel confronterend enerzijds, maar anderzijds ook goed dat ze de jeugd daarbij betrekken, omdat je juist nu zo hoort dat de jeugd geen flauw benul heeft op wie ze moeten stemmen en misschien zelfs de foute keuze gaat maken.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:34\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1414100\" data-end=\"1416300\">Wat uiteindelijk heel veel impact gaat hebben op de toekomst.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:39\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1418780\" data-end=\"1422180\">Het is inderdaad een journalistieke keuze, maar ook superleuk om mee te kijken. <\/span><\/span>Niet alleen goed voor jongeren, maar ook voor volwassenen.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:46\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1425560\" data-end=\"1427040\">Dat hoor ik heel vaak.<\/span><\/span><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\">&nbsp;<\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:47\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1427140\" data-end=\"1429680\">Ik heb mijn oma en mijn mama al horen zeggen dat ze dat volgen.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:50\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1429900\" data-end=\"1432520\">Dan denk ik, maar kijk hoe je de jongeren aanspreekt. <\/span><\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:53\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1432620\" data-end=\"1437480\">Maar toch weet je zo&#8217;n hele intergenerationele kloof dicht te maken.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:58\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1437740\" data-end=\"1438760\">Dus ja, zalig.<\/span><\/span><br><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 23:58\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1437740\" data-end=\"1438760\"><br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 24:01\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1440540\" data-end=\"1443040\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: Super, merci dat je wou komen in deze podcast.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 24:03\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1443200\" data-end=\"1443920\">Jij bedankt.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 24:04\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1443920\" data-end=\"1447220\">We gaan vast nog wel veel van jou horen, daar ben ik zeker van.<\/span><\/span><br><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 24:04\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1443920\" data-end=\"1447220\"><br><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 24:08\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1447680\" data-end=\"1448260\">Ik hoop dat.<\/span><\/span> <span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 24:08\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1448380\" data-end=\"1449340\">Of toch vooral horen.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: Jouw stem niet, maar wel je producties horen.<\/div><div class=\"font-bold\"><br><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span class=\"opacity-80 text-sm\" data-timestamp=\"\"><strong>Laurens<\/strong>: <\/span><span class=\"cursor-pointer group\" title=\"Play starting at 24:13\"><span class=\"group-hover:bg-base-200 rounded p-0.5 -m-0.5\" data-start=\"1453000\" data-end=\"1453500\">Ik hoop het.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><strong>Eveline<\/strong>: En wie weet, tot misschien een volgende keer.<\/div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"font-bold\"><span class=\"opacity-80 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